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	<title>Building a GD427 Cobra Replica &#187; gearbox</title>
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		<title>Bits, pieces, parts</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mrb</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fetched about half the ordered parts from speedon on friday. The other half still wasn&#8217;t there! Come on GD, I&#8217;ve been waiting forever now. Apart from unpacking and identifying what is what I went about on a trial fitting spree. The gearbox was the bottleneck for delivery, (Tremec == GM so that may have something [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fetched about half the ordered parts from speedon on friday. The other half still wasn&#8217;t there! Come on GD, I&#8217;ve been waiting forever now. Apart from unpacking and identifying what is what I went about on a trial fitting spree.</p>

<p>The gearbox was the bottleneck for delivery, (Tremec == GM so that may have something to do with it). It is here now but still without a flywheel and clutch assembly, so the only thing I can can do with it is temporarily mount it on the adapterplate and bell-housing and put it away for a while until the other bits arrive.</p>

<p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/96151162@N00/3935884727" title="View 'TKO 600 gearbox' on Flickr.com"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3532/3935884727_6122834376.jpg" class="flickr portrait" alt="TKO 600 gearbox" /></a></p>

The throttle valve was converted to a cable operated one, but on assembly to the engine it touches some little pipe behind it. (what is that, anyway?) So, some adjusting to be done there.

<p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/96151162@N00/3936669156" title="View 'Converted throttle valve' on Flickr.com"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2641/3936669156_2d8f55d3c1.jpg" class="flickr" alt="Converted throttle valve" /></a></p>

<p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/96151162@N00/3935885233" title="View 'Throttle linkage touches ... what exactly?' on Flickr.com"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2529/3935885233_291f86b06d.jpg" class="flickr" alt="Throttle linkage touches ... what exactly?" /></a></p>

The engine mounts go together with an adapter plate. As assembly they are mounted onto the engine in two steps, easy peasy. I noticed the mount does not mount flat onto the adapter plate, should there be a rubber between them or is is just forced onto it? On final assembly I&#8217;ll get back to that.

<p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/96151162@N00/3935888895" title="View 'Engine mount with adapter plate' on Flickr.com"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2596/3935888895_074873aa11.jpg" class="flickr" alt="Engine mount with adapter plate" /></a>
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<p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/96151162@N00/3936667652" title="View 'Assembled engine mount' on Flickr.com"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3487/3936667652_8ce8b94ee5.jpg" class="flickr" alt="Assembled engine mount" /></a>
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<p>And finally, the modified thermostat outlet. I&#8217;m going to polish that a bit later on to smooth out the welds a bit.
Also, there are basically 2 ways to mount the outlet. Shown here is the one where the outlet is most &#8216;outwards&#8217;. If the outlet is turned 180 degrees it moves a bit inwards. When the engine goes in the chassis I&#8217;ll have to revisit this too, judging what&#8217;s best at that time.</p>

<p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/96151162@N00/3935888471" title="View 'Converted thermostat housing' on Flickr.com"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2609/3935888471_c8e6e11194.jpg" class="flickr" alt="Converted thermostat housing" /></a></p>
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		<title>No parts yet…</title>
		<link>http://cobra.mrblog.nl/2009/06/no-parts-yet.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mrb</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, no parts this week yet. Might as well tell a bit about what I&#8217;m waiting for. Here&#8217;s a rundown of the list of stuff I&#8217;m waiting for: engine mounts Tremex TKO 600 gearbox propshaft complete ss exhaust + headers The position of the exhaust will be a bit different at the back. Instead of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, no parts this week yet. Might as well tell a bit about what I&#8217;m waiting for. </p>

<p>Here&#8217;s a rundown of the list of stuff I&#8217;m waiting for:</p>

<ul>
<li>engine mounts</li>
<li>Tremex TKO 600 gearbox</li>
<li>propshaft</li>
<li>complete ss exhaust + headers</li>
</ul>

<p>The position of the exhaust will be a bit different at the back. Instead of the two exhaust pipes in the centre as is common for GD type cobra&#8217;s,</p>

<p style="text-align: center"><img class="shadow" src="http://www.gdcars.com/wp-content/gallery/gdmk4/mk4_15.jpg" alt="" width="400"></p>

<p>or an option seen lately, at the outside:</p>

<p style="text-align: center"><img src="http://cobra.mrblog.nl/files/2009/06/P1020725.JPG" width="400" alt="" class="flickr"></p>

<p>Mine will be somewhere in between those two types. I like the wider looks of the exhausts, but not too wide as in the picture above, so mine will be situated between the lights and the vertical chrome thingies.</p>

<ul>
<li>omex 710 ECU + wiring</li>
</ul>

<p>The omex needs a little adjusting (amplification I think it is called) to be able to drive the injectors of the LS2 directly.</p>

<ul>
<li>alternator + bracket</li>
<li>starter motor</li>
<li>air intake box + filter</li>
<li>radiator + fan kit</li>
<li>straight thermostat outlet</li>
</ul>

<p>The thermostat on the LS2 is normally at an angle, which does not fit in the GD chassis, so a straight version needs to be mounted. (if you look at <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/96151162@N00/3118097122">this picture at flickr</a> you&#8217;ll see the notes about the thermostat etc. I&#8217;m hoping to get those notes working on this blog directly someday.)</p>

<ul>
<li>SS header tank</li>
<li>several hoses and wiring</li>
</ul>

<p>Hoses in black, wiring semi-assembled, courtesy of the omex guys. </p>

<ul>
<li>fuel pump and filter</li>
</ul>

<p>I would like to assemble the fuel pump like so: </p>

<p style="text-align: center"><img class="shadow" src="http://www.gdcars.com/wp-content/gallery/gdmk4/mk4_14.jpg" alt="" width="400"></p>

<p>The above is a euro chassis, not the jag based one I have, so we&#8217;ll have to see if there is enough room (esp. with the brake discs inboard).</p>

<ul>
<li>mechanical throttle</li>
</ul>

<p>Apparently the electronic throttle is not allowed, so it needs to be replaced by a mechanical one. Not sure what the precise reason for this is. but my guess would be that it has something to do with paranoia about (aftermarket) ECU&#8217;s going berzerk and giving an uncontrollable full open throttle signal, with the imaginable consequences of that (esp. when an automatic gearbox is fitted). </p>

<p>So, lots to do when the stuff gets here. </p>
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		<title>Gearbox thoughts</title>
		<link>http://cobra.mrblog.nl/2009/05/gearbox-thoughts.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mrb</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s about time I made up my mind about a gearbox to put behind the LS2. When I started to focus on a gearbox I had not a very good idea what criteria to use to evaluate gearboxes. I sort of tried to deliberately ignore (but not completely) the obvious choices in the different forums; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s about time I made up my mind about a gearbox to put behind the LS2. When I started to focus on a gearbox I had not a very good idea what criteria to use to evaluate gearboxes. I sort of tried to deliberately ignore (but not completely) the obvious choices in the different forums; not because they are bad or anything, but I wanted to reason my way into a gearbox choice based on technical criteria and personal preferences.</p>

<p>So, the first thing I did was read up on how the thing actually works.</p>

<p>The way I look at it, the drivetrain from engine to the wheel on the road is a divider, where you can control the division factor by selecting gears. Other than the gearbox there are is only one other factor which determines how 1 turn of the engine-output-shaft translates into a movement of the rear wheels.</p>

<div style="text-align: center">
  <img src="http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/transmission-diagram.gif" alt="transmission-diagram.gif" /><br />
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<p>This is the differential ratio, 3.54 in my case. Once the gear is known, you can calculate how many rotations of the engine it takes to let the wheels rotate once.</p>

<p>How that translates into road-speed and handling, which is what I am ultimately interested in, is a bit more complicated. The size of the (rear) wheels is one thing, their grip on the road and the influence of all sorts of drag are others.</p>

<p>It is pretty easy to create a set of graphs with the above information and the gear ratios of the gearbox. These graphs show you rpm vs (ideal) road-speed and a &#8216;shift behaviour&#8217;graph, which shows the drops in rpm given a shiftpoint. Here&#8217;s what that looks like, given a Tremec TKO600 gearbox and 275/40-18 rear wheels.</p>

<p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/96151162@N00/3507253410/"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3612/3507253410_a3aa619acf.jpg" class="flickr" alt="speedvsrpm.png" /></a><br /></p>

<p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/96151162@N00/3507254300/"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3614/3507254300_9cee3a615e.jpg" class="flickr" alt="rpmvsspeed.png" /></a><br /></p>

<p style="text-align: center"><br /></p>

<p style="text-align: left">Obviously this is all theoretical. The speeds will be lower in practice as drag increases with speed and how the &#8216;dry numbers&#8217;will translate into actual experience is the big surprise I guess. What can be determined from the numbers however, is if the setup of engine,gearbox and differential makes sense overall and helps giving a quick visual overview of the length of the gears, an indication of the effect of the overdrive etc. The second graph above clearly shows the length of the overdrive vs the first 4 gears.</p>

<p style="text-align: left">I&#8217;ve done this graphing for a couple of gearboxes and stared at the numbers and graphs for a day. Combined with my personal preferences these are the conclusions I came to:</p>

<p style="text-align: left"></p>

<ul>
  <li>manual gearbox;</li>

  <li>in the &#8216;grand touring&#8217;theme I&#8217;d like an overdrive in top gear(s) which gives me a cruising speed of around 100 km/h at 2000 rpm;</li>

  <li>&#8216;open box&#8217;, that is, the gearbox needs to be documented and serviceable (by me);</li>
</ul>

<p>After all that, the choice boiled down for me to a Tremec TKO600 5-speed or the Tremec T56 6-speed (big surprise&#8230; not!). Having no hands on experience with either of those two boxes, I spoke to a couple of people having some experience with one or both. Apart from the obvious differences like 5 vs 6 speed and the TKO being a bit stronger on torque allowance, the main thing I distilled from the comments was that the TKO is the more &#8216;raw&#8217;box, more aggressive perhaps and better suited to track (ab)use, and the T56 being a bit softer and perhaps more suited for cruising.</p>

<p>Making my mind up, I think I&#8217;ll opt for the TKO 600. The bigger torque number gives some playing room with the engine, and I think the LS2 has enough torque to already let me skip 2 gears, so why bother with a 6-speed?</p><br />
<p style="text-align: left"><br /></p>

<p style="text-align: left"><br /></p>
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